2005-01-21 [Amtharnis]: Well, I guess in the hypothetical world our problems are solved if they did do that. The philosophy of communism had a lot of good ideas within it, but it failed because of human nature. It is a matter to as whether or not you want your philosophy tested in the real world.

2005-01-21 [wwwwwwwww]: Well then, communism isn't perfect. Just because it hasn't been invented yet, doesn't mean that the perfect government isn't possible. But I digress... my hypothetical movement is no good if it isn't specifically designed to work in the real world, and therefore let us endeavor to design it thus.

2005-01-22 [Forbidden Rampage]: I did not mean to point fingers I merely ment to suggest that, in the words of Linkin Park, "it starts with one..." I am doing what I think is right for the greater good and I encourage everyone elso to do so as well.

2005-01-22 [wwwwwwwww]: An admirable attitude, and one which I wish more people would adopt.

2005-01-22 [DeleriumJ]: maybe i can catch you guys at the beginning of a discussion sometime ;)

2005-01-22 [wwwwwwwww]: Ah, or better yet, you could start one.

2005-01-22 [DeleriumJ]: well i'd hate to re-hash an old one

2005-01-23 [foxtrotter]: Well being happy is a state of mind. What makes you happy isn't always whats good for you. And being unhappy can drive someone to do some amazing things that will make both their lives and others alot better.

2005-01-23 [wwwwwwwww]: Well, there must be a use for unhappiness otherwise we wouldn't be able to feel it. I think unhappiness must be a motivator for us to better things.. which leads me to another question.. do you think people would be better off without any emotion at all?

2005-01-24 [Forbidden Rampage]: Unhappiness would be better than not feeling at all. Being unhappy allows us to accept and enjoy happiness even more than we would if we went around giggling like idiots all the time. Not feeling would simply not do, the very feelings that we posess are what make us human. It woultherefore be inhuman not to feel. I for one enjoy certain aspects of feeling enough to make up for the bad feelings that must accompany life.

2005-01-24 [wwwwwwwww]: But one might argue that emotion tampers with logic, and without it logic would reign supreme among mankind, creating peace and order.

2005-01-26 [Forbidden Rampage]: If everything was logical nobody would ever take a chance on anything. Like a really great roller coaster or a really great relationship. Or a really great burger. Without the absence of logic not only would peace and order would rule but boredom and the pointless of having free will would therefore be achieved.

2005-01-26 [wwwwwwwww]: It's true, however it would eliminate all suffering. And sometimes even some of the "good" emotions to excess are undesirable. In fact one might argue that emotion itself is undesirable, as pain is the most common result of it.

2005-01-27 [Locke8uu]: I like what The last roman said if every thing was completely logical then Propability Theory wouldn't be a math course.

2005-01-27 [wwwwwwwww]: just think how it would be in the absence of logic. Logic is arguably what seperates human kind from the animal kingdom (if such a seperation might be claimed), along with creativity (which would be useless without logic)

2005-01-27 [Locke8uu]: It depends on what kind of logic your talking about. An animal has a simple logic. If it's hungry the logical thing to do would be to eat. If an animal is afraid the logical thing to do would be to run away. See even animals have a form of logic, but what humans have like you said is creativity. The ability to be creative about the "logical" decisions that humans make.

2005-01-27 [wwwwwwwww]: that's actually not logic, but instinct.. the logic I'm talking about is the ability to reason out solutions to a problem, using things like the proccess of elimination

2005-01-27 [Locke8uu]: More about the absense of logic. If all logic for a moment completely disappeared everything would convert back to a primitive animalistic state since no one could use logic to make any decisions everything would de-evolve back into a completely instinct driven state of being.

2005-01-27 [wwwwwwwww]: exactly

2005-01-27 [Locke8uu]: The sad thing about it is that humans would never realize it was happening since no one could use logic to reason out what was going on.

2005-01-27 [Locke8uu]: Could anyone imagine not being able to comprehend the world around them outside of if there is food, water, or predators. I know that seems like the world would be over to anyone reading this forum.